Profiles, how to (not) change F0-F(n) via profiles?

[Per Olsen]

Hello.

I have been working a lot with profiles lately.  And I am learning.....

I have ancountered a "problem" here.
I have a few locomotives with sound-decoder.  Sometimes I turn the sound on when running my layout, sometimes not.  I am now using profiles extensively (very useful!!!).  But each time the loco enters a route with a profile, the F(n) is activated/de-activated according to the profile.  So if I manually turn ON the sound, it is turned off again when the loco reaches the next profile.
I discovered a new feature:
"If you change the button to (picture) all spezial function symbols will disappear. This
means, that this contact line will you just change speed etc., but all spezial functions
will not be changed."
I thought this was the solution!  And partly, it is.  I installed this feature in many routes (a BIG job to do manually, I have not found any way to do it automatically, see my other message about this here in this forum).  And it does work as described.  But.....  This also means that if I, in any profile, want NOT to use this feature, for example if I want to sound the horn with F3 in a route, all the other F(n) is also set to a specific value in that route.  They are turned OFF or ON. Engine-sound that I may have turned on maually, may be turned off, if that is the setting in that profile.

I see no solution to this problem.  Do you?  I hope I have explained it OK... 

I will suggest that the feature be changed so that in the profiles EVERY F(0) to F(n) can have 3 states:
ON, OFF, UNCHANGED.
That should solve all problems, I think.

I love the profiles, they are very powerful.  I use them a lot now.  But I also need this small problem to be solved.  Any suggestions?

Per.

[Markus Herzog]

Hello Per,

at the moment I don´t see any solution for locomotive specific profiles.

At the moment the only possibility is to use ID0-profiles, because using them gives you the possibility to switch functions on, off or to leave them unchanged.

Best regards
Markus

[Per Olsen]

Hello again.

Yes, you are probably right.  I do use ID0 profiles also, but many loc-specific profiles also.  And that is where I need the 3 states most.  A good suggestion for new versions..?

Best regards,
Per.

[Per Olsen]

Hi again.

By the way, also with ID0 profiles, if I decide to change f.ex. F4 in one profile, I must remove the "Unchange" symbol, and by doing so, ALL F-functions are set to a specific value (on or off) in that profile, NONE of them are then unchanged.   So the problem is the same with ID0.  In that profiles all F-functions are set.  No matter if all other profiles say "Unchange".

Regards,
Per.

[Markus Herzog]

Hello Per,

are you sure you are using ID0 profiles. Because within ID0-profiles there is no unchange symbol avaiable. See screenshot. You can just select for every contact to switch function symbols on/off or not selected they will be left unchanged.

Best regards
Markus

[Per Olsen]

Hello again.

Yes, sorry, my mistake.  I do not change any F-setting for specific loco in ID0 profiles, of course.  ID0 profiles are not a problem, but many places I must use loco-specific profiles, and then there is the problem.  I may run through a lot of ID0 profiles, nothing changes unwantedly.  But the loco certainly WILL run through loco-specific profiles, and then the problem is there.  If I decide to change any F(n) in such a profile, all other F(n) is set on or off also, cannot be set to unchanged.  And THAT is what I want.

Typically, most locos will run through loco-specific profiles as they enter a station (for correct braking etc).  And in such a profile it may be wanted to turn headlights off, sound a horn or whatever. And in doing so, all other F(n) are also set, either on or off, cannot be set to unchanged.

Best regards,
Per.