When to use routes and when to use tours

[Stefan Lersch]

Hello,

which one is it and can you show a screenshot of the conditions?

[Markus Herzog]

Hello,

Have you activated the matrix in the system settings. At the moment I can not remember the exact place and label used in the system settings.

Regards
Markus

[Klippert]

Hello,

Yes, i've got the matrix set up alright (it is by default as far as i can see, under system settings and routes.)

I've done a workaround by selecting the "precondition" that loc 66 must be on C-n 13. that is the passenger train.

If i removed the "precondition", and do the matrix test, it works alright. But as soon as i start running the auto tours, it will take any train and send to Trossingen track 1. (And there are only one route with that destination.)

[Hwnel]

Hello Klippert,

If I understand you correctly, you only want Loc 66 to use this route?  If so, the matrix that you have shown will allow all trains to use the route in the automatic except the ones in the red circle.

To enter a single locomotive, you need to click on the Lock indiv. Loc tab. (It will turn green) and enter the locomotive in the field below it.

Hope this helps you further.

Elliott

[Stefan Lersch]

Hello,

you can enter the digital ID of the loco in one of the three fields "Lock indiv. Loc". Then click on the red field - it will turn green and show "Only for the following loc" or something similar. Then only this loco can use the route or tour.

Elliott was a bit faster...

[Klippert]

Yes. Thanks very much. Though the problem is that wether i use the matrix or the "use only for this loc" it's still any loc thats able to go through. quite confusing. I'll try again and attach more screenshots.

(And thanks for your patience

[Klippert]

Hello everybody - i have it working without the matrix, so it's mostly on principle now.

Anyhow here goes:

First i tried the matrix again, setting only trains longer than "long" to use this route.
(pic 1-3) - 3. picture shows that the route gets started anyway, by train BR-86 (address 1) - which was not shown in the matrix test.

Second, I tried the "only allow for" option. (pic4) where only loc 66 is allowed to use the tour. - now i figure this should work. but alas, as you can see in ... next post...

[Klippert]

... pic 4 - BR 86 starts the tour anyway...

These two things i really don't get. Any clues? Is there a translation error in the matrix system? Have anybody gotten the matrix working in the english 2009.1 version? - It strikes me as odd, that the log only says that it's checking route, and then starts it... ?

now. finally, what works, is that i remove the matrix completely as shown in pic 5, and add a precondition (that loc 66 is on FB 13.)

And now it works. BR86 will wait for ever (until either track 2 or 3 is released, due to other routes.)
It also shows nicely in the log, that the tour does not get started, beacuse loc 66 is not on FB13.

Now, am I completely missing something, or is this actually quite wierd?

[Hwnel]

Hello Klippert,

Check your first line in the tour-automatic, I believe it starts from contact 13 also and is letting the BR 86 use the route.

Aloha,

Elliott

[Klippert]

Hello,

That is unfortunately not the case. As you can see on "tour 18 starts anyway" it is saying Tour 18:13>1 (that is tour id18, where as the top one is tour id 13). Which is the one i'm trying to filter with the matrix.

I also checked my settings again (and attached the screenshot).
It's really getting to me.

[Hwnel]

Hello Klippert,

Hmmm...the only other thing I can think of is that the BR 86 is running with a profile which is overriding the matrix.
Can you try setting the tour-automatic to run without profile and see if it works then.

just a thought,

Elliott

[Stefan Lersch]

Hello,

I neither have an idea what it could be. Can you provide us with a backup of your data? Please without die loco pictures (but with the loco data) and without the symbols.

[Klippert]

Hello,

Ok. now i learned something new. I found a profile editor and read about profiles in the help.
Very cool and interesting feature.

Now i've disabled profiles altogether, and suddenly it works!!! - The trains stays put, and only drives off when it can complete the correct route.

Finally! A great thanks to you for your patience and help. It would seem that the conclusion of the experience is that if you use profiles, but don't create any profiles, matrix and "only valid for loc" won't work.

Cunning... :-)

Thanks again!