SOLVED IB-Com with LISSY

[CrazyH]

Hi all
Here is a loaded question for you.
Has anybody successfully implemented the WDP - IB-Com - LISSY combo?
I have done a search for LISSY and found very little discussion on this forum.
The manual is very anemic on the subject.
Which means that either nobody is playing with the WDP - IB-Com - LISSY combo, or nobody has had any trouble with it.
Rob

[CrazyH]

OK – I’ll outline my problem anyway on the off chance someone has a clue.
I am attempting to have my Marklin layout controlled by WDP, I have WDP small (German) but I am currently using WIN-DIGIPET Demo-Version 2009 - Release: 15.09.2009 and it’s manual because they are in English, I figured that once I know how to set thing up I can switch to WDP Small and the language difference will not be a problem.
Hardware, IB-Com with WDP Small, old Dell latitude Laptop (600Mz – 256 MB Ram.
4 LISSY receivers (68610 set to 2 single receivers) set up in a simple test track (K Track) with 2 turnouts to make a runaround loop, 1 Viessmann 4502 3 aspect signal, 1 Viessmann 5211 decoder and 1 Marklin k83 decoder.
1 Locomotive set to address 80 but no function decoder, equipped with a LISSY sender also set to 80, Marklin Central Station 2.
I’ll start with what does work, basically everything, I can run trains with WDP or the CS2 and what ever I do on one gets shadowed back to the other.
I run the loco over the LISSY receivers and WDP reports the train number correctly in all 4 train number boxes, from both WDP and the CS2 the following work correctly, speed forward and reverse, lights horn and shunt mode, the points and the signal, I can program the LISSY sender and receivers effectively with IB-Utill and Loconet Tools.
So all is good so far, but I want to run in automatic computer control and this is where I come unstuck.
I’ll give you my personal impression of what goes on first, it seems that as soon as I set a route to computer control (Switch & Drive) WDP ignores LISSY both with “Train Label Display” set to “Jumps…” or “Blank…”.
I have the Loco set to Train recognition “IB-Com with LISSY” in the loco property’s tab.
I have “Train Number detection” set to “IB-Com with LISSY” in the “train Number Label” of the Train Number display box in the track editor, I am not sure I am getting this across well – track editor, right click on the train number display.
I create a route with the wizard but when I test the route it fails.
Be aware that I labor under the impression that I can do computer control with just LISSY and WDP, no contact tracks just LISSY, so when that failed I attempted to follow the quick start in the manual to the letter but found that LISSY does not work with addresses 1, 2 and 3 for obvious reasons that I discovered in the process therefore I now start the LISSY addresses from 10 for safety.
I placed a LISSY in each section, the first and the last as per manual and the other two on the second track piece in the two sections in between.
I tried setting the feedback contacts to “Permanent” or “Moment” but the results are always the same.
I create a route, test it, sometimes it fails, sometimes it passes but when I do a switch & Drive I always get the same result, the Virtual signal goes green, the point sets for normal running, the loco departs at the speed stipulated in the route editor but goes straight past all the LISSY sensors with nothing happening and the loco just going around and around and around and around and…… AAARRGGGGGHHHH.
I have been pecking away at this for weeks, I am single so no distractions and have spent all my spare time working on this.
Albert Einstein is ashamed of me, he says “Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results.” I am sure I have revisited a number of things more than once.
Rob
PS
Help…

[Stefan Lersch]

Hi Rob,

unfortunatelly I can't help you concerning IB-Com and Lissy. But I read that you set the address of your loco to 80. As far as I know 80 is a reserved number. I have a BR 80 and I had to set the address to 1080 because it didn't work correctly with 80. Maybe you don't have a Lissy problem but your loco doesn't like 80 neither? Just try another address.

[CrazyH]

Hello Stefan
Thank you for your thought.
Very valid and I should have thought of it considering my bad experience with LISSY.
However no success, I tried address 58 and 60 instead but nothing changed.
I suspect it will be something simple as usual.
For example when I was trying to get WDP and the CS2 to work together I got as far as having the commands shadowing back and forth but no action on the track, then one day in ones fogy clarity after just having fallen out of bed I thought to try plugging the track into the CS2 instead of the IB-Com and voila it all worked.
Thanks again.
Rob

[Markus Herzog]

Hello Rob,

In Win-Digipet Lissy is a train number detection system. Not more. It is no replacement for a normal feedback system. The problem here for Win-Digipet is, that you only get messages from Lissy when a train reaches a Lissy sensor. But there is no type of message "Sensor free again". The second problem is, that this sensor do only report Lissy-decoder-equiped locomotives/waggons, so there is no chance to recognize a single waggon in a station track.

Regards
Markus

[CrazyH]

Markus
Thank you, I had the feeling that was the case.
I was looking to reduce the complexity and cost of my new project, however I will bite the bullet, I like the idea but am lazy.