Route-creation problem

[Per Olsen]

Hi.

The work with my new layout continues..

I have a problem with route-creating.  I have seen it before, and I am sure I am doing something wrong, but after having tried and tried for several days, I now try this forum for help.  I have created thousands of routes before, with no problem, but that was without the use of the (very nice) assistent.

The problem is (simplified) this:
I use the Assistent to create a route from A to B.  No problem.
I use the same to create a route from B to C.  No problem.
But when I want (for special uses) to create a route directly fra A to C, I get "Keinen weg gefunden".

None of the routes (A to B and B to C) are specially long, have missing jump-marks etc.

What might be wrong??

Drives me crazy... I am sure there is a simple solution/explanation.

Best regards,
Per.

[Stefan Lersch]

Hello Per,

when you are using the assistant at one time it asked you if it should use "optimierte Wegsuche“ (optimized route search). Don't make a hook there and try again.

[Per Olsen]

Hi again.

I made a short test, and that seems to solve it !!!

(That's how easy it was, took me days to not find.. )

Thanks a lot !!

Best regards,
Per

[Per Olsen]

Hello again.

A bit quick, last time, I guess...

I have quite a few routes that still will not create from A til C.  A to B and B to C are OK.  Any more tips??

Per.

[Stefan Lersch]

Helle Per,

yes, first set all turnouts to the right direction. WDP searches always in the current direction of the  turnouts first.

[Per Olsen]

Hi again.

I still have the same problem, also when I set the turnouts first (I normally do not do this, wdp finds normally the correct way anyway).  I will look more into it.

Regards,
Per.

[Stefan Lersch]

Hi Per,

if you don't find a solution then attach your project here and I'll have a look.

[Per Olsen]

Hello.

I have an example here now.  How do I send you the project, and what do you need? 

Per

[Stefan Lersch]

Hello Per,

leave the main program and start the WDP Maintenance. Make a complete backup but without the loco pictures and without the symbols.

Then go to this forum, write an answer and click at the bottom at "erweiterte Optionen" (more options). Select your backup and make an upload.

Please tell me what you wanted to do but don't succeed.

[Per Olsen]

Hello.

Thank you.  File is attached.  Please be warned, it is a very un-finished project, with many test-routes etc, for the learning   Also many other mistakes that I do know about, and that will be corrected   But they should not interfere with this problem.

This time I tried to use the Assistent to create short routes from SkEinV to the tracks SkD8c to -8k.  They were created with no problem.
Next I tried the other way, to create the routes from the same SkEinV to the tracks SkE1c to -1k.  This gives "Keinen Weg gefunden".  No matter if i set the switches first, or whatever.

Can you solve this one?  I am sure I have made something wrong here, but cannot see it...

[Stefan Lersch]

Hello Per,

at 1k you have a Sprungmarke from the symbol befor the text "1k" to the symbol after the text. Unfortunatelly the symbol befor the text is a signal and not a track. That doesn't work. In this case I simply would write the text right to the tracks and edit a track symbol there instead. Then you don't need the Sprungmarken.

[Per Olsen]

Hello again !

You say that "the symbol befor the text is a signal and not a track", no, its IS a track, with RMK 207, before the text.  Both the symbol before and the symbol after the text, is a track-symbol.

Sprungmarke 241 bridges over the 1K-text, which is normal.  But I also see a Sprungmark 119 which should not be there, which crosses only the signal.  This is probably a left-over from an earlier stage of the layout...

But if you look at 8K, there is exactly the same, namely Sprungmark 240 correctly bridging the text, but also an "old" 118 which should not be there, same is with the 1K-track.

So, if this was the problem, why could I create routes to 8K but not 1K?  Should be identical problem...
Anyways, I removed both the wrongly placed Sprungmarken, and tested.

No difference, I can still not create the route to 1K.

So I look for other wrongly placed Sprungmarken in that perticular route....  I find none. 

So back to square 1?

By the way, I do have other Sprungmarke, like the one down after the text Esp3a , which is brigded by one Sprungmark, there is another Sprungmarke that starts at the signal (not a track) and ends at RMK 460.  This one does for a fact actually work (I have made many routes there).  If it does not work with signals, why does this one?  The German manual says that Sprungmarke can only be used on track-maiking symbols..  Maybe the signal is one such?  There IS a track in the signal-symbol..

Best regards,
Per.

[Stefan Lersch]

Hello Per,

I'll come back to this topic later, perhaps tomorrow. In the meantime I'll check if a signal is a valid field for a Sprungmarke.

[Per Olsen]

Tried a bit today.  Same.  Created the route manually, works 100%.  I still cannot see anything wrong, but can still not make the route using the Assistent.

Per.

[Stefan Lersch]

Hello Per,

a signal is indeed a valid field for a Sprungmarke. Give me a little time and I will have a look again.