Signal changes aspect without command

[hahnwald]

Hello all and happy new year

I have a profile in which a signal changes aspect with no command.  As the Lok crosses a DKW the signal changes from Fahrt to Halt even though there is no command line in the profile for that segment of track.  The signal works fine on other profiles using this same segment of track, so it seems there must be something hidden in the profile that causes the signal to change.

Does anyone recognize this problem?  Thanks

Hahnwald

[Stefan Lersch]

Hello,

does that happen every time this loco passes the DKW? What happens if you run the same route with the same loco but whithout a profile?

[hahnwald]

Hello Stefan
Thank you for the quick response.  Yes, it happens every time I run this profile.  Other routes/profiles that run on the same track do not cause the problem.

I can run the route directly from the IB 11 without the signal changing.

Your suggestion to run the route from WDP without the profile:  I set the signal to "Fahrt" and selected the start and end points.  The "Selecting start/destination" dialog box came up and I selected the radio button "Standard" and then clicked "Switch + Drive".  Sure enough, as the Lok passed the DKW the signal changed to "Halt".

Was that the correct way to just run the route and not the profile?  If so, does the result indicate that the route is corrupted?

Thanks
Hahnwald

[hahnwald]

Hello again

I think you've identified the problem.  I looked again at the route in the editor.  Under the "Add-on switchings" tab, in addition to the virtual signals, the actual signal was shown set to "Halt" (although at a different feedback point than where it was actually changing).

I have no idea how it got there, since I created the route with the wizard, not the editor.  Anyway, I deleted it and now the route and profile work correctly.

Many thanks for your help.

Hahnwald

[Stefan Lersch]

Hello,

very good you found the problem! To answer your question: yes, when selecting the route and selecting "Standard" it runs without any profiles even if they exist. Just the plain route.

[hahnwald]

Hello,

I have since discovered that all routes created after the signals were installed have the same problem; all have commands inserted for one or more of the signals along the route.  The routes were all created with the wizard, so I was never in the editor and can not have put the commands in by mistake.

The routes created before the signals were installed are all correct; they have commands for the "virtual solenoid device" signals, which I suppose the editor inserts for program control.

My question:  is it expected that, if one has operating signals on the Anlage, and then creates a route, the route editor will automatically control some of those signals?

Thank you

Hahnwald

[Stefan Lersch]

Hello,

did you change the track diagram after installing the signals? If so then you have to alter your route.

If you have your track diagram done and then create a route with the wizard then all of the signals along the route will be autamtically inserted and controlled by WDP.

You always have to
 * first have your track diagram ready and then
 * second create your routes.

[hahnwald]

Hello

Understood.  Thank you.

Hahnwald

[hahnwald]

Hello Stefan

I thought the problem was solved, but it has re-appeared.  First, let me say that I don't want WDP to control the signals; they are SBB Zwergsignale and I need to control them from profiles to have the aspects correct.

As I said in the previous note, the routes created with the wizard after I installed the signals (and added them to the track plan) all had signal commands entered into the tab "Follow-up-switching" which interfered with control from the profiles.  After I deleted these entries in the Route editor, WDP no longer controlled the signals and everything worked OK.

EXCEPT, now I have created a route, and deleted the entries in "Follow-up-switching", but WDP still controls the signals on the route.  This happens when running the route only, not with the profile.  It is only this one route; all the others are OK.  I can find nothing different in this route from others that have no problem.

Is there somewhere else I can look for unexpected control commands?

Thank you

Hahnwald

[Stefan Lersch]

Hello,

does this route exist twice?
How do you run the route? Manually or within an automatic?
Did you do any changes on the layout after creating the route?

[hahnwald]

Hello Stefan

There is only one route between the two contacts

I have run the route as a manual route, manually with a profile, and as a profile in the ZFA.  The signal commands have been removed from the route tab "Follow-up-switching."  Even so, when I run it as a route, WDP controls the signals. 
When I run it as a profile, WDP still sets the signals at the beginning of the run.  I can put commands in the profile that will change the signals after the run starts, but I cannot eliminate the initial signal aspect that WDP sets.
As an example, I want signal 25 to show FmV at the start of the route.  WDP decides it should show F.  If I put in a command to show FmV at the start contact, signal 25 shows F.  If I put in a command to show FmV after a delay greater than 0.1 sec, signal 25 shows F, then FmV after the delay.

So I can do this clumsy workaround, but it's not satisfactory.

No changes have been made to the layout since entering the route.

As I said in the previous note, routes that were created before the signals were installed do not have this problem. 

Is there some way I can convince WDP not to control the actual physical signals?  (I know it needs to control the virtual signals).

Thank you

Hahnwald

[Stefan Lersch]

Hi,

I don't really understand what you are doing and why you are doing it  that way. Maybe it would be much easier for me if you give me your backup (without loco pictures and system tables). Then tell me which route you mean. I'll have a look.

[Hwnel]

Hello Hahnwald,

Is there some way I can convince WDP not to control the actual physical signals?  (I know it needs to control the virtual signals).

If this is the case, can't you set the signal to virtual and control the signals the way you want through profiles?

Aloha,

Elliott

[hahnwald]

Hello Stefan, Aloha Elliott

I think changing the signal to "virtual" will prevent control except internally to WDP (see 7.2.14).  An experiment confirms this.

Stefan, I apologize for not being clear.  Let me try again:

I want to control signals on my layout.
WDP also wants to control some (not all) of the signals.
I don't always agree with its choice of signal aspect.
In some cases, the only way I can get the aspect I want is to use a profile command that lets WDP set the signal first and then after a delay resets the signal to what I want.

I've attached the backup.  The example profile is number 80, route 68 020>003 RA.

Thanks for your help

Hahnwald

[Hwnel]

Hello Hahnwald,

Are you talking about the signal at the beginning of the route?  If so, you can change the aspect of the signal in the route editor by first clicking on the camera symbol and then clicking on the signal until you get the aspect you want.  The route editor will usually return the signal to its original state in the follow up switching.  However, you can remove the follow up switching aspect as you have already discovered.

Hope this helps,

Elliott